A few grains of bullet weight in this diminutive cartridge can make a very large difference in terminal effect, and the sleeker HPBT design flies exceedingly well. Ackleys little cartridge, but loading CFE BLK is faster because it flows through a good powder measure with much greater uniformity in charge weight. And Aaron,thanks for your info too. Reiber's load consisted of the Remington 6 primer, Hornady case, and Hornady 20-grain V-Max seated out to lightly engage the rifling. In 1970, OBrien sold his company to Harrington & Richardson, which renamed the rifle the Model 317 Ultra Wildcat. The same charge with 20-grain V-MAXes started out with an even tighter group, but I flipped out the bullet from the fourth shot, which enlarged the group to 1.09 inches at 100 yards. The first one was the .17 Hornet, closely followed by the .17 Bee and later by the .17/222.. Some 6mm Rem AI shooters prefer to shoot the 87gr V-Max from a 10-twist barrel.The 6mm Rem AI set up with a 10-twist barrel to shoot the 87gr V-Max is about the ultimate long-range varmint caliber one could ever . So with some hold-over aiming finesse, the .17 would make a decent ground squirrel and prairie dog cartridge out to 300 yards. Factory .223 Remington loads often provide good accuracy, but the cartridge is a great choice for handloaders who want to duplicate or even exceed factory ammunition ballistics. Rem. There is an obvious allure in velocities of more than 4,200-4,300 fps, but I suspect a steady varmint-shooting diet of Hornadys 15.5 grain NTX would result in premature barrel wear. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Hornady HP. Ruger's multi-role small frame autoloading rifle - Sear - combines AR-10 power with AR-15 Portability. When a Redding Handgun/Small Rifle measure is set to throw 20.0 grains of CFE BLK, it throws 16.3 grains of IMR 4198. . The barrel and action include a protective Parkerized finish. Several five-shot groups fired at 100 yards measured less than 0.250 inch. All RifleShooter subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Norma 200, 55gr. The .17 Fireball easily breaks 4,000 fps with 20-grain bullets and only 17 to 20 grains of powder. My old pet load for my 17 BDL was with IMR 4320 with 25 Berger Match HP. Hornady loads its .17 Hornet Superformance Varmint cartridges with 20-grain V-MAX bullets and 15.5-grain NTX bullets, with a stated muzzle velocity of 3,650 fps for the V-MAX and 3,870 fps for the NTX. The Best of both worlds: After nearly 4 years of waiting, Dan Wesson's DWX is here. My old friend who got me interested in the 17 used primarily 3031 for about 3800fps with the 25gr Rem or Hornady HP. 8208 is now my go to powder for the 17 Schism Feb 22, 2017 #7 bobcat93 said: I'm getting 1 1/2" -1 I'm using my cz527 I got to know Ackley while he was doing some rifle work for me during the 1960s and 70s. You can use the Horn 25 HP My Rem LVSF likes the 25 VMAX with H4895 I have had as much as 3-6 grains variance in Rem brass. The next 10, not so much. The factory 20-grain loads were accurate and had a velocity of 3,567 fps when shot from a CZ 527 American. The Remington Model Seven is ready, willing and able to handle just about any task. When using that primer in this cartridge, it is important to begin with a starting load and keep a close eye on fired primer condition while carefully working up. The CZ 527 and Hornady factory loads combined for this 200-yard group. But by using a 7-inch drop tube, I managed to coax in 18.5 grains behind the Berger 30-grain and Hornady 35-grain bullets. Using bullets from Hornady V-Max, Hornady V-Max or HP. The spring-loaded micrometer head allows for precise bullet seating depth. For years, Remington was the only one that loaded the .17 Rem., but now factory ammunition can be had from Nosler and Hornady, as well. During May 2016, he thinned the Idaho rockchuck and ground squirrel populations with a custom pistol in 17 Hornet built around a single-shot Sako A1 action. I can say that IMR 8208 XBR is fast becoming my favorite powder. 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Yet the little pills zipped downrange from .17-caliber rifles shoot with lazer-like flatness and produce surprisingly impressive results on small game and predators. In this cartridge, an overcharge of a fraction of a grain, particularly when working with near maximum loads, can produce excessive pressuresso a little extra care in this step is essential. When dropped from a powder measure, an 18.0-grain charge fills a Winchester case almost to the brim, so when applied to those two bullet weights only, the word maximum indicates that 18.0 grains is the maximum amount of CFE BLK the case will hold. I'm getting 3700fps (3/8" groups @ 100-yds) with the 700 Classic and 3670fps (1/4" groups @ 100-yds) with the 700 BDL. Hodgdon CFE BLK, Shooters World Blackout and Alliant Reloder 10x were auditioned. at 4,300 fps and is zeroed two inches high at 100 yards, it is dead on the money at 300 yards. Ill be testing this powder with other bullet weights moving forward. The new Sako Finnlight II sports an innovative stock and Cerakote metal paired with the terrific 85 action. Unfortunately, our choices have become very sparse, but the V-MAX and the Berger HP both work better than the lighter bullets. In 2007, Remington Arms introduced a new rifle cartridge based on their 221 Fireball necked down to 17 caliber. Other rifles might disagree. The first die necks a .22 Hornet case down to .20 caliber. A friend of mine has two custom rifles in 17 Hornet, and accuracy from one is best with the Remington 6, while the other prefers the Winchester WSR. CFE BLKs top velocity was 4,532 fps with this bullet using 18 grains of powder, but with poor accuracy. Even the report of most .17-caliber guns is mild, particularly that of rimfire versions. During the first years of World War II, Mr. ONeil came up with the idea of a .17 caliber cartridge, believed to have been based on the .22 Hornet. vs 9.3x62 Cartridge Clash, 7 Top .17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) Rifles, How Rifle-Shot Recoil Affects Scopes, Rings and Bases, Ruger No. This is especially important when loading ammunition on a progressive press. sierra Gameking , AOL. However, maximum powder charges for the .17 Ackley are 0.2 to 0.7 grain heavier than for the .17 Hornady. All rights reserved. Some seating-depth jockeying would likely reap rewards, and the stock could use some work, as a piece of paper will not slip between barrel and stock. Vihtavuori N133, Hodgdon Benchmark and Ramshot X-Terminator (same as Accurate A-2230) were tried, with the best group just .62 inch at 4,043 fps with 18 grains of N133, .77 inch at 4,098 fps with 19.5 grains of Benchmark and .70 inch at 3,780 fps with 19 grains of X-Terminator. CFE 223 was introduced in 2012, and CFE Pistol followed in 2014. .17 WSM ammunition includes Winchester Elite with 20 and 25 grain tipped bullets, Hornady with a 20 grain V-MAX tipped bullet and Federal American Eagle brand with a 20 grain tipped bullet. at 3,800 fps has close to the same trajectory. Due to a higher density, more CFE BLK can be packed into a case. Ten grains gave 20-grain bullets a velocity of nearly 3,700 fps, which is all you can expect from such a small amount of powder. The 20-grain bullet of Hornady factory ammunition had to free-travel 0.102 inch prior to rifling engagement. Hornady also calls its new .17-caliber cartridge the .17 Hornet. Regardless of how bullets were seated, chamber pressures appeared to be on the mild side in the Cooper and Remington guns. Colt Model 1861 Special Musket: What's Its Value? The .17 Remington has a longer neck with the shoulder pushed back somewhat, and is .036 inch longermaking it unique. There are a variety of .17-caliber bullets for handloaders to choose from. Patches wet with Barnes CR-10 pushed through the bore revealed a total absence of copper fouling. Its cup is softer than that of the Remington 7 primer, but neither of us experienced pierced primers when using a charge 0.3 grain shy of maximum. A newer powder that shows great promise is StaBall 6.5not only is it temperature insensitive and spherical (which makes charging cases easier), it is fast. The .17 Remington is one of the children that the .222 Remington spawned. | Nosler unprimed brass and Federal Premium Gold Medal 205 Match Small Rifle primers were used throughout. Savage Impulse Big Game Straight-Pull Bolt-Action Rifle: Full Review, 7 Top .17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) Rifles, .375 H&H Mag. The first one was chambered for the so-called .17 Pee Wee, which was simply the .30 Carbine cartridge necked down to .17, and the first rifle was built . Using 18.5-, 19- and 19.5-grain charges of Ramshot X-Terminator produced .28-, .31- and .68-inch groups at 3,583, 3,687 and 3,809 fps, respectively, with a 1.81-inches OAL. In those days, a velocity of 2,000 fps was considered "fast," so this was really big news. A form die set is required if .221 Fireball cases are used, but those lucky enough to find Remington .17 Fireball brass can simply run them through a .17 Mach IV full-length sizing die, add primer, powder and bullet, and head for the varmint fields. Cases from unfired Hornady factory loads had a length of 1.338 inches, which I used as a trim length. Remington introduced it in 1971, and soon thereafter a friend of mine bought a Model 700 BDL chambered for it. While accuracy was better with that ammo than I had anticipated (averaging 1.55 inches at 100 yards), seating bullets in handloads to lightly contact the rifling shrank group size considerably. Hodgdons load data shows 11.0 grains of H-4198 gave the 20-grain V-MAX a velocity of 3,226 fps. High density is especially important when loading small-capacity cartridges. Very accurate and fast in Remington 700 BDL sporter xswanted Gold $$ Contributor Feb 22, 2017 #6 I tried it. The .17-caliber, 20-grain V-MAX (left) is not that much smaller than the .20-caliber, 32-grain V-MAX (center) and Hornadys .22-caliber, 40-grain V-MAX (right). All Rights Reserved. Velocity from the 10.75-inch barrel of the XP-100 was just over 3,100 fps, with accuracy as good as that particular gun has ever produced. Give a Gift 7 1/2 primers and 4320 have been the go to combo for 17 Rem. The first commercial .17-caliber round, the .17 Remington, was hobbled by the inferior .17-caliber bullets available upon its release, often resulting in superficial wounds on animals such as coyotes. It pushes 25-grain bullets up to 3,200 fps. The Remington Model Seven is ready, willing and able to handle just about any task. Both guns are stock Remington 700's with only Rifle Basix triggers added. You won't be disappointed if you can find all the components. An overall cartridge length of 1.815 inches with the Hornady 20-grain V-Max exceeds what the Ruger magazine is capable of handling, so those rounds had to be manually loaded directly into the chamber. H414/W760 behind a 30gr. Well Russ, you picked a bullet I've never tried. The reloader can choose from a great selection of traditional and high-tech 7mm bullets - from 100 to 175 grains. While shooting, I cleaned powder fouling from their barrels after each 25-round string, but applied no additional copper solvent. The new rifle is built on an aluminum billet chassis with carbon-fiber forend and cheek riser featuring V-block bedding. Cases last just short of forever, an important consideration when choosing a powder for loading bucketfuls of cartridges needed for defending your position from hordes of crazed flickertails. Whereas squeezing in enough IMR 4198 to reach top velocities with those two can be challenging, maximum charges of CFE BLK drop in with a bit of room to spare. The factory ammo was and is very accurate ammo, this load may possible be Remington's recipe. Full-length sizing is fine if you want cartridges to headspace off the .17s rim, but that amount of sizing set the case shoulders back .005 inch, which can cause cases to split around the web after firing them a few times. LilGun delivered much lower extreme spreads of 45 to 69 fps. Blackout loads were extrapolated from .221 Fireball loads tested before, velocities indicating these loads came out about right, with velocities mirroring other powder choices. Same goes for the Mach IV and Fireball, although the velocity difference between the two bullet weights is less in them. The Hammer 18 grain Dead Blow and Nosler 20 grain Varmageddon bullets deserve further experimentation, as I obviously didnt do my part though I did demonstrate what didnt work, which is something. Scott Rupp gets a chance to talk to Aaron Oelger about a few new products from Hodgdon and why reloading store shelves are empty. Shooting reloads may void any warranty on your firearm. And accuracy improved with a shorter jump in my handloads. Based on reloading die sales at RCBS, Ackleys .17 Hornet Improved is still one of the most popular cartridges of its caliber among varmint shooters. Just $1 per month , Everything you ever wanted to know about the .17 Remington, By It has a three-lug action. can also be quite accurate. Rem. This bullet would make the best choice for coyote-sized game, providing a touch more punch and less likelihood of breaking up before reaching vitals. RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. As mentioned, the .17 was first brought to market with a 25-grain Power Lokt Hollow Point. The CCI A17 load has a catalog MV of 2650 fps and chronographed between 2775 and 2809 fps from our test rifles. Using Hornady .17 Hornet brass to form .17 Ackley Hornet cases eliminates the need for case-forming dies. Today, they are down to one offeringa 25-grain Varmint Hollowpointand its a very accurate projectile. Note: Complete reviews of all of these rifles can be found on the Product Reviews index page. Rod Herrett stocked the gun, and Fred Smith fitted its 15-inch Shilen barrel. The 527 has a single-set trigger with a pull of 3.5 pounds that contains some creep, but pushing the trigger forward sets it, and pull weight changes to a light one pound. The supplied scope rings that clamp on the square bridge of the receiver are a nice touch. The most accurate loads have been with the Hornady 20gn and 25gn V-Max bullet which turned in 3-shot groups averaging .50-MoA. A very accurate varmint load is 43.7 grains of H4895 and 58 grain Hornady V-max - <1/2" 5 shots at 100 yards. After shooting 80 Hornady loads one afternoon, I soaked the CZs bore with solvent for a day and then gave it a good scrubbing with a bronze brush. Bullets for the .17 Remington have come a long way since 1971, both in quality and variety. While shooting the Cooper Model 21, I experimented a great deal with bullet jump (or lack of it), and the Berger 30-grain bullet shot best when seated 0.005 inch into the rifling. Tested on 75 & 80 degree days with no pressure problems.. It's just a GREAT load for the 17 Remington.. CCI-450 Primers 26.0grs IMR 4007SCC was IMR4320. He was a college professor, a gifted machinist, a writer, a barrel maker, a bullet maker, a builder of rifles and an avid experimenter. Hornady currently loads its .17 Hornet with 20-grain V-MAX and 15.5-grain NTX bullets. Two of the very best choices are the Hornady and Sierra Hornet bullets weighing 45 grains. Slightly compressed charges often deliver the lowest shot-to-shot variations in velocity, while dropping much below 90 percent can result in high velocity spreads. Alliant Reloder 7, Hodgdon H-322 and Ramshot TAC were paired with this bullet. It simply is the 221 Remington Fireball necked down to 17 caliber, using a 30-degree shoulder. Compression is light when the Berger 30-grain bullet is seated to an overall cartridge length of 1.830 inches. Except for the CCI A17 load, all brands claim a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2525-2550 fps and in our chronograph testing actually delivered average MVs of 2550-2650 fps, depending on the load. Like I said, different rifles, different preferences in primers. 17 September 2002, 13:14. After thoroughly cleaning the tube at home, for instance, the added 25-grain Hornady V-MAX loads assembled impressive clusters. That is a significant difference in such a small cartridge case that only holds about 12 grains of powder. * We tested two different Marlin Model 917VS and Ruger K77/17VMBBZ rifles. It is a very small bore, very high-pressure round and as such, it fouls just like a similar, larger cartridge (think .22/250 or .220 Swifteven the .204 Ruger). The trim die squeezes the neck down to .17 caliber, and its hardened surface allows squaring up the mouth of the case with a fine-tooth file. To show viewers how to succeed at long range, J. 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